Subject: Re: your mail
From: Sam TH (sam@uchicago.edu)
Date: Wed Nov 15 2000 - 12:12:11 CST
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 08:57:27PM +0400, Vlad Harchev wrote:
> As for smartquotes problem: analysis is very funny. (Following text applies
> to ISO-8859-1 encoding, not any cyrillic one).
> First, there are two sets of unicode symbols that are both "nice quotes":
> (listed only left ones)
>
> 0xab:LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK (aka "LEFT POINTING GUILLEMET")
> 0x201c:LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK (aka "DOUBLE TURNED COMMA QUOTATION MARK")
> Counterparts are 0xbb and 0x201d
>
> From the names, it's obvious that the symbol in fonts shipped with AW ('<<')
> is better characterised as "LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK"
> rather than "DOUBLE TURNED COMMA QUOTATION MARK").
>
> While 0xab (0xbb) are present directly in charsets ISO8859-1 and cp1252
> (windows encoding for latin1), 0x201c (0x201d) is not there, exactly:
>
> 1) libiconv's iconv maps 0x201c to '"'
> 2) glibc's iconv can't map 0x201c to anything.
>
> State after that patch:
> In first case (linking with libiconv) remapping to "nice" glyphs works
> only when printing, the plain quotes are shown on the screen.
> In second case, modifying remapGlyphsDefault (included in patch) makes "nice"
> quotes to appear on screen and in printed version.
>
> I think that we should try to use 0xab and 0xbb instead of 0x201c/0x201d as
> smartquotes. Does anyone knows why it wasn't chosen from first time? If there
> was no reasonable reason for such choice, it may be wise idea to (try to)
> switch to 0xab/0xbb as smartquotes.
>
> What do you think about all this?
Using << and >> as quotation marks is not a solution. In the united
states, where I believe a plurality of Abi users are from, such marks
are practically unheard of.
However, I believe the rest of the patch worked entirely as expected.
All of the ? went away, and were replaced by the proper quotes.
Therefore, the patch, with that one change, has been committed.
However, didn't we used to display the curly quotes when smart quotes
were enabled (prior to the current breakage)? This no longer occurs.
I, however, may have been hallucinating when I remembered this.
Bill, as the author, what should be happening here?
Fix Smart Quotes bug. Does this actually restore the correct behvior? From Vlad, with changes by Sam.
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