Re: commit (head): toward fixing 8130

Hi Tomas,

thanks for the lengthy explanations.
The gtk dialog will follow your win32 layout.

Best,
Rob

Am Montag, den 17.01.2005, 14:06 +0000 schrieb Tomas Frydrych:
> Hi Robert,
>
> Robert Staudinger wrote:
> > Am Montag, den 17.01.2005, 12:23 +0000 schrieb Tomas Frydrych:
> >
> >>Hi Rob,
> >>
> >>
> >>>I see your point. The major difference still is that the language
> >>>setting
> >>>- is not visible to the user (at least not obviously)
> >>
> >>It is visible for the current selection, because that is what gets
> >>pre-selected in the dialogue.
> >
> >
> > Yes it would definitely help (and is my plan) to preselect "Apply to
> > paragraph" if there's a selection.
> > What i meant is that unlike, say, font-size, the language of a paragraph
> > is not "visible": you can change the language and it still looks the
> > same.
>
> Well, the current language setting at the insertion point shows in the
> status bar.
>
> >
> >>It is not visible for the document default, that is a good point. The
> >>easiest way to fix it is for the string next to the check box to include
> >>the current setting, something like
> >>
> >>'make this the default language for document (currently English, US)'.
> >
> >
> > I've been thinking about that but IMHO setting the document language is
> > use case #1 with #2 setting paragraph lang far off. So when the dlg is
> > opened the current doc lang is displayed anyways.
> > Still other people might edit more multi-lang docs than me.
>
> I do not follow this, but perhaps most importantly, the language
> property is *not* a paragraph property, and the dialogue does not apply
> the choice to paragraphs; it applies it to selection. If there is no
> selection, the language gets applied to the insertion point. If there is
> a selection, it gets applied to the selection (which might contain a
> single word, or three paragraphs, or the whole document); at that point
> each element in the selection receives the property lang:xx-XX.
>
> The 'default document language' is quite different from that. The
> document default language gets inherited by an element that has not got
> the lang property set, and none of who's parents has that property set.
> 'Apply to Paragraph' is not the opposite to 'set as document default'.
> Quite apart from that, you need to be able to apply the language to
> individual words, not just parapgraphs.
>
> > Rethinking the whole discussion there might be a completely different
> > way to solve the problem.
> > - Document language is a global property and should therefore be in
> > "File -> Set Language"
>
> Yes, but that would mean a new and otherwise identical dialogue to
> achieve something for which the current checkbox is more than adequate.
> I am not sure that having the language dlg pop up at two places is very
> user friendly, because it requires the user to remember where to look
> for the Language dialogue for the different tasks. This way you always
> go to Tools->Set Language.
>
> > - Lang as a paragraph property could go in a seperate notebook in
> > "Format -> Paragraph".
>
> As I explained above, language is not a paragraph property and so it
> should not go into the paragraph dialogue. Language is property of
> characters. It is intentionally on the tools menu, because strictly
> speaking it is not a format as bold, or italics.
>
> > The question here is how the paragraph-dlg
> > handles multiple
> > selected paragraphs. It would of course be nice to select x paragraphs
> > and apply a
> > common language then.
>
> You can do that very easily as things are: select x paragraphs and go to
> Tools->Set Language. The language gets applied to the whole selection.
>
> > I'm also somewhat inclined to see "Format -> Set Language" working but
> > i think
> > it's not such a sommon function to expose it there.
> > The more i think about that the more i like it, it'd be conceptionally
> > clean IMO.
>
> I do not consider this conceputaly clean. It complicates the interface
> and it confuses language with character formating.
>
> best regards,
>
> Tomas
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > - Rob
> >
> >
> >
>
Received on Mon Jan 17 16:01:11 2005