From: Martin Sevior (msevior@mccubbin.ph.unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Wed Apr 03 2002 - 21:30:51 EST
Bryce,
Do you have a patch that fixes this? If so please submit it. I
promise to test it.
Thanks,
Martin
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
> Yes, I'm frustrated *, but only because reasonable solutions don't seem to
> take any traction here.
>
> AbiWord pollutes the system font list in a number of harmful ways. At the
> same time, AbiWord developers complain about problems and
> inconsistency with the font system. The pot is calling the kettle black.
>
> ----
>
> A very reasonable step for 1.0 AbiWord is to add fonts under only their
> true names (not false names), then implement a font substitution table.
> There is nothing half-baked about this. Half-baked is screwing up other
> innocent applications to benefit your own. Half-baked is implementing a
> font substitution table by adding false fonts to the system list. Half-baked
> is ignoring a substantial bug for dozens of months, and several release
> cycles. Half-baked is behavior that changes with the combination of currently
> running applications.
>
> ----
>
> Bake AbiWord 1.0 fully, at least to the point where it is not detrimental to
> other applications, then, and only then, release it.
>
>
> -Bryce
>
> * I'm pleased to hear that you are frustrated also. That's a step forward
> from a stance that ignores the seriousness of this issue, and plays a kingdom
> building game with denial or approval of bugfixes.
>
> PS: In case you refer to me your "expectations" document -- don't bother. I
> expect you to not screw up other applications. You're free to do whatever
> you want AS LONG AS you don't mess up other projects. The Linux community
> expects nothing less. You're vulnerable to a hammering from the rest of
> the community if this issue becomes more widely known, or gets slashdot
> visibility.
>
>
> Dom Lachowicz wrote:
> >
> > > Simple solution for 1030:
> > > DROP THE FONTS
> >
> > RMS: This is not so simple of a solution. We need to be able to embed
> > the fonts in our PS output so that printing is WYSIWYG. Unless you'd
> > rather we open up bug 2706: "AbiWord is not WYSIWYG" and watch the votes
> > pile up faster for that bug faster than they do for 1030. So I'm sorry,
> > "DROP THE FONTS" is NOT an acceptable solution, at least not yet. I'm
> > growing tired of people offering half-baked, not-thought-through "fixes"
> > for bug 1030.
> >
> > We've promised to fix this bug in a manner that we've deemed proper and
> > acceptable as soon as is humanly possible POST 1.0. Why can no one
> > understand this? I and the other developers do understand that many
> > people (developers included) consider this to be a large bug. Yet we're
> > committed to fixing this on our timeframe. Since this is a volunteer
> > project, you'll just have to live with this.
> >
> > Marc: We have alleviated many of these symptoms for the users via a few
> > patches (ones from Bryce included), but yet some problems still persist.
> > I'm working now on something that will hopefully cure GNOME users from
> > bug 1030 as we speak. If you can think of some ingenious work-around to
> > fix even more symptoms, please code up something and I really promise
> > that it will be considered.
> >
> > Bryce: Read the above paragraph. You're frustrated, we're frustrated,
> > we're all frustrated. Your complaining is just making us more
> > frustrated. We're all well aware of your stance on bug 1030 by now.
> >
> > Users: if you're affected by this bug, please be patient. We are going
> > to address this bug in the near future.
> >
> > Dom
>
>
> Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > It used to be that anything in Courier Bold in kwrite would appear scrawny
> > and in the wrong width if I started kwrite while AbiWord was running. If I
> > exit Abi and kwrite and restart kwrite, the font looks fine. Now Courier
> > Bold looks scrawny no matter when I start it. What is going on, and
> > how can I fix this?
>
> The traditional solution is:
> rpm -e abiword
>
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